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What might Jessica, Alf and Estyn have in common?

RMMV Stirling Castle

MV Stirling Castle

Ask yourself .. If you were being sent back to Australia from the UK to face a court martial would it be on the same boat you came over on, the MV Stirling Castle? Bars, babes and deck quoits? Dinner at the Captain’s table, live music in the lounge, deckchairs poolside?

Estyn D. Jones may have.

Estyn? That’s a tough name to grow up with in this country. Who wants to be called that in a classroom of thirty young boofheads, it sounds like a girl’s name, Esther,  and Dick. Another invitation to ridicule is to be called Dick so all a fellow can do to get out of the predicament his parents have placed him in is drop the Dick, grab the J from Jones and stick it in front of the Estyn. Then HEY PRESTO, now we have a young dude nicknamed Jestyn.

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1946.

Corporal ESTYN Jones posed as a Warrant Officer on MV Stirling Castle on a voyage from Australia to England in March 1946 arriving in the UK in April. This impersonation was deemed an offence and Jones was committed to a Court Martial and sent back to be tried in Keswick South Australia for this and other alleged offences.

Then …. in October of the same year.

Jessica Harkness became pregnant (give or take a week or two)

Alf Boxall arrived home on leave.

and ….

Estyn Jones’ Court Martial commenced in KESWICK SA. re alleged offences committed on MV Stirling Castle, amongst others, all of which were dismissed.

We know he was back at Hampstead, Adelaide by 19 Aug 1946, the court martial papers seem to suggest that he had arrived back in Adelaide only a few days previously. The Stirling Castle had docked in Sydney from 20 Jun to 29 Jun and from 2 Oct to 9 Oct in 1946.

All of this probably doesn’t amount to much other than a chain of coincidences, but I like it, a lot.

And I like even better the way Jones signed off his E for Estyn. The J in Jones looks likely as well but I’m no expert.

Now he’s buried in the same cemetery as Jessica. Not to mention he lived in Henley Beach and that’s where Webb was headed.

Thanks Clive ..

Meet Estyn D Jones of Henley Beach

PeteBowes: There was a man called Estyn Dick Jones living in Henley Beach at the time. There are plenty of reports about him on newspapers (Trove) and the National Archives of Australia. He was bankrupt by 1939, in the courts, see case Yerkey V Jones, it’s a classical case of the ‘wives special equity’, he enlisted in 1941 (2/27th Infantry Battalion) and ended up in a Court Martial by 1946, after being dispatched on the SS Stirling Castle ship to an Australian Mission in Berlin, Germany. Pat.

My theory is that the SM was looking for Estyn (hence the Henley Beach ticket) and that the signature on the Rubaiyat is J Estyn for Jones, Estyn. Maybe the book was a gift from other person (even Jessica Thompson or Boxall), but the SM (aka Carl Webb) was going to see Estyn, maybe because he had business with him (and Jessica or her husband) or was something related to his dead brother Roy Webb (2/29th Infantry Battalion), maybe Estyn knew Roy, or many other possibilities. Pat.

https://vwma.org.au/explore/people/602522

I received the above comments from Pat yesterday and without a second thought flipped over to Cipher Mysteries and copied every comment relevant to Estyn I could find. I’m reasonably sure Dome won’t mind, besides, he’s busy on other matters.

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Estyn D. Jones was married to Florence May (they are widely mentioned in newspapers, their court case has been mentioned in law studies ever since). I can’t find any marriage records in Australia, so maybe they were already married when they left Wales (he was born in Mold, Flintshire) or elsewhere. Pat.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx

There was a man called Estyn Dick Jones living in Henley Beach at the time. There are plenty of reports about him on newspapers (Trove) and the National Archives of Australia. He was bankrupt by 1939, in the courts, see case Yerkey V Jones, it’s a classical case of the ‘wives special equity’, he enlisted in 1941 (2/27th Infantry Battalion) and ended up in a Court Martial by 1946, after being dispatched on the SS Stirling Castle ship to an Australian Mission in Berlin, Germany. Katie-Dee

Could Estyn Dick Jones be the real owner of the book? Maybe he knew Roy Webb from the Infantry Battalion? Pat.

Jones, ESTYN Dick
Service Number: SX6688
Enlisted: 24 June 1940
Last Rank: Corporal
Last Unit: 2nd/27th Infantry Battalion
Born: Mold, England, 11 July 1907
Home Town: Henley Beach , City of Charles Sturt / Henley and Grange, South Australia
Schooling: Not yet discovered
Occupation: Not yet discovered
Died: 28 February 1970, aged 62 years, cause of death not yet discovered, place of death not yet discovered
Cemetery: Not yet discovered
Memorials: Adelaide Pulteney Grammar School WW1 & WW2 Honour Board, Henley Beach Council WW2 Honour Roll and Addendum

Estyn was a founding member of the North Glenelg Sub Branch of the RSL and served as Senior Vice President 1956. Pat.

Now, don’t both those capital E’s^ look interesting ……

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