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A malevolent influence .. and an invitation to state your position*

*an invitation to state your position {see comments}


If you believe what appeared to be an unbelievably sloppy police operation was in fact a manipulation in order to shield a person and or an event from official scrutiny – like an inquest – then they were successful. The Masonic folder would have been as good as a nudge nudge wink wink to those who needed to know if the case was in ‘proper’ hands and there was no need for them to be overly concerned.

Why would SAPOL take the trouble to carefully arrange certain items taken from Carl Webb’s suitcase and pin them up to a Masonic folder when there must have been a dozen or so other means of exhibiting what Detective Sergeant Leane took from Webb’s suitcase the day he found it.

This reminded me of a post long since deleted where I trolled through GF’s book and listed the number of times DS Leane put his hand up to personally investigate various aspects of the case, an exercise I will repeat after this post. The record of him as being an administrator of detectives – which is what Leane was before being seconded to the case – was hard to reconcile to him being given the overriding responsibility for investigating the unremarkable finding of an unidentified body on a local beach.


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  1. Carl was eliminated because of an error of judgement he made, then he was sent off in a manner that Leane, Cleland, Dwyer, Lawson and all the others before and after them thought was just another of the “doctors’ murders” that started around 1933 and may not have ended yet. It seems if you were hauled in by “the bill” you just had to say the password “doctors”.

    February 4, 2023
  2. Guzz Rating #

    The “unbelievably sloppy police operation” at the time is almost matched by the, seeming, under-interest we’ve seen from the authorities right now.
    Am I imagining it or is this coroner’s report taking an unusually long time.
    I can’t be the only one around who is not at all convinced that Charles Webb (or any of the other numerous Webbs that haunt this case) is SM.
    The possibility of cross contamination in that morgue seems to have been pretty high and the hair that was tested could have come from another person.
    Am I the only person who can’t see any similarity, at all, with Charles Webb and the dead guy on the beach…granted that the photos are 20 odd years apart.

    February 8, 2023
  3. You’re not on your Tod, Guzz, I’m the only bloke who thinks the blonde Charlie is 5’8” …

    February 8, 2023
  4. thedude747 #

    I want to pose a couple of questions to the punters here just to get a vibe on the general consensus re the fundamentals.

    I don’t want elaborate answers just a simple response of either “Most likely” “Maybe” “no chance”

    1. Is Carl Webb the Somerton man ?

    2. Did he write the code ?

    3. Did he have a connection with 90a Mosley st ?

    4. Was his death connected to 90a Mosley st ?

    5. Did he take his own life ?

    6. Was there a conspiracy of any kind or by any body related to his death and or investigation ?

    February 9, 2023
    • Jo #

      1. Most likely
      2. Most likely
      3. Likely, but business (eg seeking rental property) vs romantic (very unlikely)
      4. Possibly, but not premeditated
      5. Probably
      6. Unlikely


      February 9, 2023
  5. dude47 #

    Ill declare my hand,

    1. Most likely
    2. Most likely
    3. Most likely
    4. Most likely
    5. Maybe
    6. no chance

    February 9, 2023
  6. Jo #

    I don’t think there’s necessarily anything malevolent, but there is a suggestion of “tools of trade” being displayed (minus the screwdriver), plus the white tie, which could be a prompt for possible Masonic connections.

    February 9, 2023
    • Jo, this might be an unfair question: if you were a man in 1948 and who wished to keep his fingernails clean of grime without having a nail brush or nail file … what might do the job? Given that, if a fellow preferred to keep his own hair in order might he consider using his own scissors?

      February 9, 2023
  7. Jo #

    Pete, in answer to your questions: my dad, who was born in the ‘30s, always used a pocket knife to keep his nails clean – so I’d take scissors or a knife as answers. My dad would also whittle his pencils… The Somerton Man did have a good mop of hair, so may have done a bit of home hairdressing.

    February 9, 2023
    • Ok. The point on the cut-down knife for getting out fingernail grime, scissors for a hair trim (he had two combs as well, one made of metal) ….

      February 10, 2023
  8. dude47 #

    PB Im pretty Keane to hear where your at on the 6 questions. Its just a straw poll at this stage and things change but where’re you at right now on them ?

    February 10, 2023
  9. 1 Maybe
    2 Maybe
    3 Most likely
    4 Maybe
    5 Maybe
    6 Most likely

    February 10, 2023
  10. dude47 #

    Looks as though the jury is still our on many key issues for you PB. Love to know where Clive is at on the 6?

    February 10, 2023
  11. Clive #

    Ok, my 20 cents for what they are worth:
    1. Most likely
    2. Maybe
    3. Most Likely
    4. Most Likely
    5. Maybe
    6. Quite probably

    February 11, 2023
  12. 1 Yes for a few days then No
2 No
3 Yes
4 No
5 No
6 Yes

    February 26, 2023

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