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Derek Abbott’s head is spinning. ‘I’m just going to shut up now ..’

So my head is spinning,” Dr. Abbott said. “Does that prove she’s not connected now to the Somerton man? Or does that prove that somehow the Somerton man is related to her assumed grandfather? It’s getting all complicated, so complicated that I’m just going to shut up now and let the DNA from the Somerton man speak for itself.”

“More recently, according to Colleen Fitzpatrick, a forensic genealogist who has worked with Dr. Abbott but is not involved in the exhumation, links (in Ms Egan’s DNA) were also found to the grandparents of the man that Jo Thomson eventually married.” *

Allan Yuhas of the New York Times – 22 May 2021

*Prosper Thomson, aka George.
Derek Abbott and Colleen Fitzpatrick in 2015 – long before she discovered Thomson DNA in Rachel Egan

UPDATE June 2, 2021.

Unconfirmed information is that a large Australian media network pulled the plug on a Somerton Man exhumation coverage at about the same time of Fitzpatrick’s startling news, and I’ve yet to find anything about the recent development in the Australian Newspapers, Murdoch Press included.

Thanks to RC for the heads up.

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  1. Clive #

    Uncle?

    May 29, 2021
    • Any of Prosper’s brothers go missing? And someone keep an eye on those BIGFOOTY spivs, they’ll be on this like flies on a cow pat, and not one of them a Melbourne supporter!

      May 29, 2021
      • More ..

        PT had three brothers: Rollo Burrows, Quentin Meacock (pic) and Gaston Chalmers. Gaston is the only one who has no recorded date of expiry on both geni.com and the NAA .. there’s only two pages there and with my shot eyesight I can’t see anything beyond 1945 apart from having the file signed off (?) in 1955 .. no photo either.

        THOMSON GASTON CHALMERS : Service Number – 21374 : Date of birth – 29 Jul 1920 : Place of birth – BLACKTOWN NSW : Place of enlistment – SYDNEY : Next of Kin – THOMSON PROSPER

        pic is of Quentin.

        May 29, 2021
  2. misca #

    Name: Gaston Chalmers Thomson
    Residence Date: 1993
    Residence Place: Callala Beach
    Death Date: 18 Nov 1993
    Notes: newspaper (death notice); late of Callala Beach, formerly of Dolls Point

    It’s on ancestry but it leads to a roots web link that doesn’t have information attached. Might be able to search it down through newspaper notices but I don’t have a subscription.

    May 30, 2021
  3. misca #

    Also have a 1980 listing for him living at 30 Minton Ave, Sns. Sci. with his sister Ysabel at the same address.

    Name. Gaston Chalmers Thomson
    Gender. MaleElectoral
    Date. 1980Electoral
    Place. Sans Souci, Barton, New South Wales, Australia

    May 30, 2021
  4. Thanks Misca, Andy … the trace has got to be in there somewhere. And who’s this Adrian Ernest Thomson that Sanders has thrown into the pot and why are the South Africans (Marshalls?) showing such interest in this place overnight?

    May 30, 2021
  5. Clive #

    Just a thought, but the ‘signature” on the Code page ‘GAR’, could it mean Gaston and Rollo? Yes, I know a dumb idea.

    May 30, 2021
    • Pelling was onto a possible not proven relationship between Gaston and Abe Saffron. Somerandomstuff mentions an Adrian Thomson as being one of the brothers.
      Then this from John Sanders : “Adrian Ernest Thomson 2/11 Searchlight Battery was Prosper’s older brother bn. 1911 but seemingly of no significance according to our old pal Xlamb from many years ago. There was also a daughter same name as your sister from memory and doesn’t seem to be of much concern though I never followed up.”
      THOMSON ADRIAN ERNEST : Service Number – NX16620 : Date of birth – 06 Aug 1911 : Place of birth – CLAYFIELD QLD : Place of enlistment – PADDINGTON NSW : Next of Kin – THOMSON ERNEST

      Why does it feel I’ve wandered into an old unused paddock whose rabbit population has bred undisturbed for over seventy years?

      May 30, 2021
  6. Clive #

    Perhaps it ‘warrens’ attention?

    May 30, 2021
  7. misca #

    Pete – Yes, Prosper also had a brother Adrian Ernest Thomson (b. 6 Aug 1911 d. 20 Jan 1993).

    Name: Adrian Ernest Thomson
    Residence Date: 1993
    Residence Place: Callala Beach
    Death Date: 20 Jan 1993
    Notes: newspaper (death notice); late of Callala Beach, formerly of Caloundra

    Again, the roots web link no longer has the information attached.

    I thought we had discussed all the siblings many moons ago?

    May 30, 2021
    • Yeah … but we didn’t know Ms Egan had Thomson DNA traces then.

      May 30, 2021
      • misca #

        Hasn’t that always been a viable possibility?

        May 30, 2021
        • Not to me, I was too busy cooking up espionage theories.

          May 30, 2021
  8. misca #

    Also have a 1980 listing for him living at 1 Prince St with his wife Blanche at the same address.

    Name: Adrian Ernest Thomson
    Electoral Date: 1980
    Electoral Place: Maclean, Cowper, New South Wales, Australia

    May 30, 2021
  9. misca #

    Posted on Cipher as well. The sister:

    Ysabel Alice Fortune Thomson

    Birth: 1915
    Death: 5 FEB1993

    May 30, 2021
  10. misca #

    “links (in Ms Egan’s DNA) were also found to the grandparents of the man that Jo Thomson eventually married.”

    Are they any more specific in the article? It’s under a pay wall. Could you share a bit more?

    May 31, 2021
    • Misca … this is the guts of the article

      “Time to Let the DNA ‘Speak for Itself’

      Ms. Egan had never heard of the Somerton man, but she agreed to help Dr. Abbott in his effort to name the man who might be her grandfather.

      Dr. Abbott laid out that scenario: “The Somerton man had Jo Thomson’s number. He was dead five minutes’ walk from her house. Rachel’s dad was only 1 year old at the time, with no father. So you kind of put two and two together — but until it’s absolutely confirmed, you never know.”

      And Dr. Abbott acknowledged that, if usable DNA was obtained from the exhumed remains, it might in fact show his wife had no link to the Somerton man. “All I can say is there’s lots of twists and turns in this case, and every turn is pretty weird,” he said.

      Colleen Fitzpatrick, a forensic genealogist who has worked with Dr. Abbott but is not involved in the exhumation, said the analysis of his remains could answer some questions about the man, such as where he was born and whether he died by poison, unintentional suffocation or some other cause.

      And she was optimistic about scientists’ ability to reconstruct his family tree, even with DNA degraded by decades and only distant relatives to start.

      “It’s kind of on the older side of some of the cases we’ve worked on,” she said. “But I’m working on one from the early 1950s and we’re making a lot of headway on it, so 1949, 1950 is still within range.”

      Several years ago, Ms. Egan had her DNA analyzed, and links were found to people in the United States (including relatives of Thomas Jefferson). More recently, links were also found to the grandparents of the man that Jo Thomson eventually married.”

      May 31, 2021
  11. misca #

    Thanks for posting Pete. I guess this is the first time that they have mentioned that Ms. Egan’s DNA is connected to Prosper’s side? It’s strange that they would wait so long to state this.

    “…to the grandparents of the man that Jo Thomson eventually married”.

    Why phrase it this way? Why not just state outright that she has been genetically linked to Prosper’s side?

    June 1, 2021
  12. misca #

    Indeed, indeed.

    June 1, 2021
  13. misca #

    And really, why no mention of a connection to Jessica’s side of the family? Is it possible that all this bs is just about hiding who she really was? They have Rachel’s dna. They can trace on both sides. They say nothing. No transparency on any of this. $$$

    June 1, 2021
    • Have we got a family tree for the Thomson’s?

      More …. from a trusted source.

      Three months ago a very high profile genealogist in the pay of an Australian TV company discovered the Thomson / Somerton Man DNA link.
      That proposed program has been ditched. No reason given. We suspect that Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick wasn’t so easily persuaded to keep silent.

      June 1, 2021
  14. Clive #

    So, if the Thomson family are more involved than previously known, I suppose this answers the question as to how the SM knew where Jessie lived?

    June 2, 2021

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