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4 – The problem we are having ..

is why aren’t you claiming to have broken the code?

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  1. John Smith #

    Too little swords, too many scaffolds, as said Nick Pelling once at time 🙂

    February 15, 2021
    • In what context?

      February 15, 2021
      • John Smith #

        Code breaking is hard business. It needs time, intellect and perseverance. And many code snippets are too small to break them properly – count of information bytes (symbols) often matters. SM code seems to me one of these small beasts.
        As always this is IMHO…

        February 15, 2021
        • What if the four A’s are not part of a code, but placed where a code is suspected to have been written?

          February 15, 2021
          • John Smith #

            Possible. But this proposition must be researched by more qualified cryptographer than me 🙂

            February 15, 2021
            • Many qualified cryptographers have missed the 4XA’s . In fact, all of them.

              February 15, 2021
              • John Smith #

                It has the reason: SM code don’t look ‘serious’ for serious codebreakers. There exist tens of shortcut and cipher systems (from time before computers) not breaked for today. As I mentioned earlier some of them may be too short, some are product of smart logic schemes and some are made by modified classic cryptography algorithms. Some time ago I also was looking into SM code as not giving hopes to decode – and this is IMHO main reason why I and these qualified people have missed 4x A. Your eye was more prepared for finding 🙂

                February 15, 2021
              • MyName #

                Pete: Just because we’ve never heard any qualified cryptographers mention the 4A, doesn’t mean they didn’t notice them. Might mean they didn’t give them much weight IF they did. Assuming this is all initials – which is the most common assumption – then surely ‘A’ is one of the more common letter?
                Grabbing the book I happen to have closest (by chance ‘Codes and Ciphers’), and picking a random sentence froma random page:

                “There are many other possibilities, including ‘incomplete’ rectangles with columns of different lengths, all of which add to the security of the transposition system” (this author might need some refinement in sentence structure).

                So now let’s take the first letters
                TAMOPIIRWCO
                DLAOWATTSOTTS

                Lots of ‘A’, ‘O’ and ‘T’, zero ‘E’ – and I’ll grant not a regularity of ‘A’ in 7th position.
                And the topic has a lot to do with it too – that part of that book uses the word ‘Transposition’ so often that ‘T’ becomes even more prominent than it might in a different book by a different author.

                Flicking through, it’s not difficult to find sentences with a word starting ‘A’ at number 7:
                Most codes involve the use of a…..
                The third of these was soon abandoned……
                If the cipher machines were designed and…..
                The reflector was fixed in position and…..
                We now use the transposition box again
                The message was written out as a….

                Of course, that’s me picking and choosing, but IF we assume it’s a structured work (ie poem) then the likeliness of the ‘A’ often occurring in that position might increase.

                Maybe it would be interesting to find a poem with roughly 10-12 beats per line and seeing how often ‘A’ occurs at #7 on a line?

                February 17, 2021
                • MyName …. can’t find a mention of the 4As in Feltus, Pelling, UoA papers, Wikipedia, Abbott’s site, Cramer’s, various blogs, BIGFOOTY, Randomstuff, Smithsonian .. etc. And as far as attributing a common purpose for the book, the slip torn from it and the 4A’s …. I may as well be whistling in the wind.
                  But I know it makes sense …

                  February 17, 2021
  2. Thanks, John Smith, you’ve been more than generous.

    February 16, 2021

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