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six months in a glove box part 2

The car pic (below) is of an early Hillman Minx Deluxe model, fully restored. No glove box as you can see, just an open shelf. A tray.

It’s easy to imagine the objects that might accumulate here: driving gloves, a rag for the windscreen, another cloth for the dash, a street directory, a brochure or two, a newspaper and perhaps a pencil. Being such an exposed space there may not have been the clutter we usually find in a closed glovebox. Passengers notice.

Perhaps Mr Francis kept his car in similar good order, inside and out.

But here we have the Rubaiyat been sitting in the tray for six months. One hundred and eighty two driving days. During that time the car may have been in constant use, business and pleasure. We know Mr F was ferrying around his family because it was his brother in law who found the Rubaiyat in the back passenger footwell of the Hillman, picked it up and put it in the tray.

This is where you have to ask yourself a few questions.

Was the number already there when it was found, or was it written during the 182 days?

minx 4 interior

The open glove box revelation is down to Sanders. Score him one.

23 Comments Post a comment
  1. Clive #

    Just a thought, if the owner of the Minx was a Doctor, would it have been possible that he had the tray converted to a glove box for his papers?

    November 5, 2017
    • Confidential stuff,Clive, not to be left where things can be read, doctors are like lawyers in that respect.
      Did folks leave their cars unlocked in those days, Mr Lawson?

      November 5, 2017
  2. ellen #

    What if the Rubaiyat in the Hillman was from Tibor?

    November 6, 2017
  3. Clive #

    Apparently, people did leave their car doors unlocked, but if it was a doctors car, I would imagine it would have been locked, unless any confidential papers were removed beforehand.

    November 6, 2017
    • I’m reminded of Gordon’s scenario where the Rubaiyat was tossed into the wrong car by the rapidly departing agent SM was scheduled to meet, and who saw him lying by the steps. GC had the agent tossing the Rubaiyat through the pre-arranged open car window .. it would have been just as easy to leave a door unlocked, to my thinking.

      November 6, 2017
  4. I agree with that thought Pete…

    November 6, 2017
  5. ellen #

    The moving finger having writ……ironically there was a screw up in the time machine and time couldn’t be reversed so it took six months to find. lol!

    November 7, 2017
  6. ellen #

    Mandela effect: The prominent scientists did not want Hitler to get the bomb. The Germans had been experimenting with anti-gravity and talked Hitler into going in that direction….side effect was time reversal. Jessica met with Boxall in Aug.1945. Tibor and SM had to sacrifice themselves so the Germans would fail. Science fiction and noir. No wonder the Hillman Manx was so expensive.

    November 9, 2017
  7. Boaty #

    You find a random book in your car. You may or may not have carried pax (family, clients, friends, kids whatever) – but what do you do with it? The only reasons to put the book in the glove box (and leave it there for a long time) is that you think you know whose it is and you intend to return it or you think the owner might come looking…Given the owner came forward eventually we assume he didn’t know whose it was but was expecting someone (ie a client or something) to claim it. This actually makes Prosper (or someone similar) a reasonable candidate as per your earlier speculations about wedding cars/funeral cars/hire cars/ limo things….

    Assuming the Rubaiyat car saga is even remotely accurate, you have to question why the rubaiyat was still in the car.
    If you found something in youer car that didn’t belong, you do one of several things:
    1) Report it (“I found thi book in my car, and I don’t know how it got there, and somebody must’ve broken in and put it there”) – yeah, nah….
    2) Keep it but don’t tell anyone (“Oh wow, I wanted a rubaiyat, and now I have one, yippi-ka-ye mutha%%) – and then stick it in your glove box. Yeah…nah.
    3) Use it as scrap paper (hence the phone number and MLIABO) and subsequently realise it was linked to a police investigation and volunteer it – but once they get excited about youer scribblings don’t bother to tell them that was you. YEah….maybe (embarassed that you destroyed potential evidence)….not really….nah.

    So explain it. Having found the Rubaiyat in your car, why does it go in the glove box. And why not the bin, or a bookshelf, or something else? To put it in the glovebox means you don’t consider it valueless – but to leave it there shows you don’t give it much value (unless you think it’s more likely to be needed in relation to the car – ie client or something).

    November 19, 2017
  8. Boaty #

    Maybe let’s start with:
    You found a book (or similar) in your car. You don’t know where it came from (why/how). Are there any reasons you would keep it (in the car) – other than too lazy to put it in a bin (but according to the story you moved it from where you found it to the glove box).
    Why do you keep a book you find? If you like it, take it home and add it to your library. If you don’t like it, throw it away (or donate it to Salvo/Vinnie/Random).
    Isn’t it peculiar that the book is preserved and then handed in? Or am I reading WAY too much into this?

    November 19, 2017
  9. The bloke who found the book thought it belonged to the driver so he put it under the dash where everything else gets dumped …. six months later everybody remembered about it.
    What’s in your glovebox right now?

    November 19, 2017
  10. Hugh #

    So the driver wereren’t in the car when he found it? It occurs to me a possibly more likely idea (which I guess fits prosper) is that the driver found it, but the driver didn’t own the car (taxi!!) – and assumed it belonged to the owner.

    Without looking, my glove box contains straws (not sure why – the wife seems to like making sure we can always have a straw for our drinks if we happen to buy some from a random shop). There’s also car manuals, tissues (unused in a packet, of course, half a dozen pens that don’t work, an old magazine with quiz questions from the last interstate trip we did. And as far as I know, no Rubaiyat, but I’ll check tonight.

    November 20, 2017
  11. Clive #

    “Ronald Francis” finds the Rubaiyat in the ‘glove box’ of his car and phones his brother-in-law to discuss. Am I alone in thinking that this action seems a mite odd? Here we have the police,via newspapers, desperate for help in finding this particular copy of the Rubaiyat. Yet ‘RF’ has a discussion with a relative! Per GF (Page 105) the car was ‘normally’ parked in Jetty Road, which could mean that the car could have been parked anywhere near Jetty Road, Moseley St, perhaps?

    November 20, 2017
  12. Look at what we’ve been given:

    A Hillman Minx parked in a specific area at a specific time.
    The owner a Glenelg Businessman: pseudonym Mr Francis.
    His brother-in-law also in the car that specific day.
    A rubaiyat found in the back footwell by the brother-in-law that day.
    The Rubaiyat placed in the glovebox that same day and not noticed for six months
    A headline.
    Mr Francis meets DS Leane.

    Some people might believe almost all of this.

    Others might liken it to a pack of lies. ..

    . .. and others might admire the complexity of the legend the police created about the circumstances surrounding the Rubaiyat handover to DS Leane.

    November 20, 2017
  13. Clive #

    The Glenelg Police Station was only a stone’s throw away, in Moseley Square, from Jetty Road-wouldn’t that be the obvious place to take the book into the police? Or, am I missing something here?

    November 21, 2017
  14. Clive #

    Just as an afterthought, “RF” decided to take the book to the “top detective” involved in this case, in the city, almost as if to say what a clever boy am I finding this book for the police, then an about face as he wants total secrecy on his i.d. and brother in law. Was it as a result of what Leane knew about “RF”??

    November 21, 2017
  15. RF wasn’t just granted anonymity, he was placed above suspicion.

    Long term decisions such as these are handed down through the police hierarchy like sacraments. Generation to generation. It is not within their power to change them.

    November 21, 2017
  16. Clive #

    And judging by the embossing on the bottom of the suitcase, you can see the reason why?

    November 22, 2017
    • That’s not the bottom of a suitcase, that’s a Masonic folder belonging to one of the detectives. Possibly DS Leane, he was the one who collected those items and took them back to the station.

      November 23, 2017
  17. Clive #

    Sorry Pete, Was the use of the Masonic Folder just by chance, or was it sending a message? And the items themselves, and the way they are arranged on the folder-another message perhaps?

    November 24, 2017
  18. The message I’m getting is that the Masons had the case from the very beginning, meaning that Catholic officers didn’t get a look in when things were discussed in the secrecy of Masonic lodge meetings.

    November 24, 2017
  19. Clive #

    Strange, but looking at the actual items, as arranged from top to bottom, it’s as if they go from the ‘hardest’ to the ‘softest’? And the sewing thread resting on the item with ‘T Keane’ written on it, would be almost akin to saying, don’t worry we’ve got this all sewn up-it’s going nowhere, we’ll make sure of that. Or, am I going potty?!

    November 24, 2017
  20. Don’t overplay it old mate ..

    November 24, 2017

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