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August 22

1945, Xavier & Sadie Herbert, David & Phillis Herbert, Jimmy & Joy Hawkins, Helmut Hendon; All appeared to be living close to the water at Mosman on the north side of Sydney Harbour, Bob Wake arrived in ’48. Directly across the way by boat at Potts Point lived George Marshall alone but he didn’t own a boat, and had no business in Mosman worth dieing for anyway.

Some might dare to suggest that he was lured there from his mean lodgings, so he could have taken a taxi, train/tram or ferry across to Cremorne or Mosman for the deadly liason, there being a ferry wharf down the bottom of Musgrave St. in those days. Though, perhaps its more likely, he was delivered dead to his seaside rock ledge directly in a smaller private craft, ala Somerton Man three years later, perhaps?.

Aug 23

It seems that since my post of 20th inst. George Marshall’s inquest papers have gone off line, but no matter. Most people who have followed the case closely might well assume that he died broke and possibly intestate, but that is certainly not the case.

When he fled to Australia with his family in ’41, he had substantial high-end property holdings in Singapore, two outright and two in half partnership with a Jewish woman named Menaham. When he went missing on 20/5/45 The Imperial Japanese Army still claimed ownership of said properties but in September at the war’s end the titles were passed back into his estate.

When George’s brother gave evidence to the inquest in August, he was able to cunningly convince the coroner that brother was off his rocker, that he had had a long held deathwish and that his passing did not come as any shock to those who dearly loved and missed him.

One must wonder thus why his poor faithful little friend of four plus years, Gwen Graham apparently wasn’t aware of George’s front lobal infirmity, and of course she became a statistic shortly thereafter (just in case). So who was set to benefit from his sad demise, presumably only the Marshall family which would have included his father and numerous surviving siblings, with the exception of older brother David (Mr. Big Daddy Baghdadi), who was still interned in Japan at the T.O.D. and presumablyb not complicit. Just a couple of interesting related snippets to ponder perhaps. Mrs. Menaham may have been the mother or aunt of George and Mirmovitch who joined the AIF in 2/42 from Perth and who subsequently was KIA in New Guinea just a day or so prior to George Marshall being first reported missing.

It also seems that George himself was in Singapore late ’41 to settle an insurance claim and to satisfy other property related business prior to the eanticipated oncoming Nippon Sunam; He also probably purchased two pair of bespoke shoes to last him through the coming occupation years (obviously no hintbof suicudal tendencies there). Coincidentslly in Singapore at about the same time was Big Bob Wake who flew in there by Qantas to dismantle a listening post at RAF Tanglin for the same reasons.

It has been suggested that crooked George Taylor was also there with intentions of taking the Jap sunami head on, but there is some degree of doubt regarding his related claims and no medals were awarded, same same Alf Boxall and the brothers Herbert.

comments written by John Sanders and lifted from Cipher Mysteries

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  1. Coddiwomple…

    August 24, 2017
    • Coddiwomple (v.) Origin: English Slang Word. Definition: To travel in a purposeful manner towards a vague destination. Can be paired with athazagoraphobia: the fear of being forgotten, ignored or replaced.

      Sounds like someone else we all know.

      August 25, 2017
  2. Clive #

    A bit of a coincidence(?) that George had a flat in Wylde St, a stone’s throw from Fleet Base East.

    August 24, 2017
  3. So did Comrade Nosov, have a flat close to an allied naval base.

    August 24, 2017
  4. Ellen #

    Our little friend Gwen, the flapper, knew too much.

    August 24, 2017
  5. ellen #

    Notice how elegantly George is dressed, right down to his woolen vest.

    August 25, 2017
  6. john sanders #

    Psycho train driver Ben Herbert was living there as well, complaining no end about the RSL and having to pay 9s/7d for re issuing of his ww1 medals that were lost “recently” while removing his family from Mebin to Syney. Despite son Xavier’s claims he did not serve in the 10th Light Horse and I’ m thinking his only equine connection was with the iron variety for a short time in France. Brother David who spent most of his later life as a mariner in PNG did spend some time in the Mid East theatre as an ASCO canteen commando and was entitled to wear the Africa Star.

    August 25, 2017
    • john sanders #

      Gordon: And the next vague destination could find us at the Int. camps 4 Tutura, 7 Hay and 14 over at Loveday to investigate the custodial death of a POW/Internee. I feel that just one suspicious death inquiry at a time is good fishing, though no harm in checking to find whether perhaps any laundry (dhoby wallah) records survived from the camps, if you just happen to be swinging by.

      August 25, 2017
      • JS, the laundry issue was thoroughly checked, the vast majority of Internees and certainly POWs did their own laundry and according to surviving internees, it was done to a schedule as in hut by hut so little likelihood of a mix-up. It could be that others took on the work for their more ‘wealthy’ colleagues.

        FYI, Clive worked hard at the records of Mr. Walsax but sadly there was no match to be found amongst surviving dental records.

        If we are looking for a T Keane, he wasn’t amongst internees or POWs at that time, the name would have been a dead giveaway. That is not to say that the name wasn’t taken up later, I am sure you would be aware of the habit of ex-internees and POWs to change their names ‘unofficially’ yet retain their initials as indeed did a number of less experienced illegals, Tibor Kaldor being a likely example from the ranks of internees. Maybe we should look again at TK and his qualifications, from what I hear, Graz University could possibly yield a result, who knows?

        There were a number of internees and POWs who died whilst in custody, in each location, have you taken a peek?

        August 25, 2017
  7. Misca #

    Gwen died at 4 Roslyn Lane. A short walk from Wylde Street. HHH hadn’t yet moved across the bay to Kirribilli.
    HHH’s cousin lived at 10 Beach Road (now New Beach). When Max arrived in Australia (on the same boat as HHH’s cousin (Wagner – wtf are the chances of that?) he listed Schofield House (80 Wolseley Road) as his destination. June Whitcombe (yes, Whitcombe and appropriately related) got married there in June 1941.

    August 25, 2017
    • Where are we going on this? Is there an objective? John?

      August 25, 2017
      • john sanders #

        Misca: And Helmut seems to have arrived in Oz ’37 as Heinz Ho(e)nig a displaced Jew. Yes Pete the objective is and always has been to gain and maintain the initiative. Be patient, it’s a virtuous trait. I do know where I’m headed but it is an overgrown old path I’m following. Is there some sort of time limit by the way?.

        August 25, 2017
        • Initiative over who? Or do we just shoot anyone not wearing a hat?

          August 25, 2017
          • john sanders #

            Initiative over those who may be inclined to protect the memory of a cold blooded calculating killer, a vengeful remorseless socio/psycho path, one who was also known to frequently sport a big widebrimmed distinctive Capricornian style hat.

            August 25, 2017
            • I thought as much, you’re fluffing. Now you will have to be put to the test.

              August 25, 2017
            • Surely not George Melly JS. God forbid… Hmmm, wrong tropic.

              August 25, 2017
              • john sanders #

                Gordon: Sounds like a decent sort of codger & flyfishinghumanist to boot

                August 25, 2017
        • Misca #

          No time limit. Of course not…But it would be wonderful to have a clear conversation rather than a competition…Just a very few of us here.

          August 26, 2017
  8. Ellen #

    Mischa, do we even know Gwen died there? The newspaper reporter dropped clues. She was face down floating in a tub with a minimum of blood. The tub was full to within two inches and clothes were neatly folded with toiletries unopened. Pretty hard to achieve naturally. Sounds like the Health Alteration Committee.

    August 26, 2017
    • john sanders #

      Any ideas for a new blog now,that SM is nearing it’s inevitable conclusion. Basically it’s a self policing forum with similar listings of new categories ie. Bogle Chandler, Gatton murders, Adelaide Oval and Beaumont abductions &c. It would be restricted to mainly disgruntled former contributors to Nick’s site and perhaps other intellectually challenged folk of nominally Antipodian ilk. To be called Cyphermiseries, membership would be restricted, but tradeable on the site with cickback of say twenty percent to the webmaster and RDs. By the very narrow limitations placed upon moderation, such pleasantries like ridicule, personal insults and indecent references to parenthood would be tolerated, even encouraged. Should the usual undesireables such as characterless VM undesireables swing by accidently which may occur from time to time, they would be detected by their common use of words such as ‘Towards Eva’ Swallowtail Rosettes’ or even ‘Research’ for instance. Their access would be then denied with a subtle polite reference to their sexual preference, followed by ‘get a life geek’ or ‘Aztec Empire 1557’. Think it over fellow retards and thanks to Misca for the idea.

      August 26, 2017
      • john sanders #

        Ci(y)pher miniseries could also work i’m serious.

        August 26, 2017
      • I’ll keep a log of the chat John, nothing will be lost. Carry on.

        August 27, 2017
  9. Misca #

    Ellen – Ok. Who says she died there. Maybe they transported her. She was found dead at 4 Roslyn. Walking distance from George’s home. That’s my only point.

    August 26, 2017
  10. Misca #

    John – So what’s your theory? Xavier killed SM? Let’s cut to the chase.

    August 26, 2017
  11. Misca #

    16 March 1937 – Hellmut Horace Hendon (German – arrived Adelaide per OTRANTO, 16 Mar 1937.) As per NAA files.

    August 26, 2017
    • John sanders #

      Misca: Sure, and the manner along with the reason why are becoming clear enough to me. Of course assuming that he was a sociopath no reason was necessary, perhaps George fell into that category but his other victim Percy Williams was merely to get the man out so Xavier could get his former job back. I think SM was pure vengeance and also retribution for the death of a friend. Another remote possibility is that the victim was Sadie’s bum of a husband Wolf Cohen who can’t be traced. Not by me anyhow….When Hellmut asked for his old passport to help his claim of nazi persecution, he was given the one for Heinz Honig so I assume that was his real name. You don’t make names like that up unless you’re someone like me. Obviously you’ve seen Xavier & Sadie Herbert circa. 11/38 Pakies and his pals over the years Bertha Lawson, Dame Mary Gillmore and John Willie’s wife Holly Farrah, all good folk far as I’m aware.

      August 26, 2017
      • John sanders #

        Misca: You’ll recall the copper George Marshall, he doesn’t appear to have been in Xavier’s sights, though who knows S’pore George could well have been mistaken ID. The fellow our man wanted to get, so much so he tracked him to the Hellenic club Sydney, from was a Lieutenant T. R. Morris (indistinct). who tried to have him railroaded in Darwin as a subversive. He got cold feet when his set objectives were passed on to the intended victim. Sociopaths are very self protective and when the would be killer saw the roles being possibly reversed, he took off to Melbourne to sign up for the King’s shilling. If we could get hold of things like X. Herbert’s letters and personal codes which he was known to have (which are in the public forum but not here in VN), this whole proposition could be surely expedited. Go for it people and take all the glory, I’m not selfish.

        August 26, 2017
  12. Misca #

    John – Very interesting! I haven’t gone back to this information in quite a while…For what it’s worth just a few snippets of potential interest. HHH and two other aliens travelled first class from London to Australia. (The rest were all in “tourist”). He got off in Adelaide and listed his destination as the Carlton Hotel in Sydney (via train). The two other passengers were Joseph Kovesi (Hungarian) who got off in Sydney with destination Australia Hotel and Gunter Von Zeddelman (German). He landed in Fremantle with ultimate destination Australia Hotel (via train).

    Witness on HHH’s naturalization – David Grieve Wyles (radio engineer)…His daughter Nancy Isabel Wyles is listed in electoral rolls for 1943 as RNS Hospital St.Leonard’s. Nurse. She and Jessica are both listed as such for the Artarmon area. (I had previously gone through most of the nurses in that roll but had no way of connecting Nancy Isabel to anyone!).

    August 27, 2017
    • Misca #

      Replying to my own post…I would just like to add that Nancy Isabel Wyles is a VERY CLEAR connection between HHH and Jessica Harkness as she most likely knew and interacted with Nancy at RNS. Nancy graduated the year after Jessica and when one searches for connections between HHH and Jessica, this is most likely an important one.

      September 2, 2017
  13. Misca #

    John – Any idea of what may have happened to Sadie’s daughter with Woolf?

    September 2, 2017
  14. Misca #

    About children…HHH and Jean travelled with a child to New York in 1952. The child’s name was listed as Tonda. Anyone have information about this? I haven’t been able to find this person apart from the travel manifest. The child is listed on the mother’s passport. See here:

    https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7488/NYT715_8126-0568/3028513421?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/74473545/person/40307976069/facts/citation/262308537846/edit/record

    September 2, 2017
    • john sanders #

      Misca: I have not yet seen evidence of Sadie having been a mother. She arrived in Australia apparently alone on the El Kantara (Alcantara) mid 20’s? as Sarah Cohen or Norden. Mother was a cockney from London (not Ontario) with maiden name of Rosenthal and she had sisters E & T, also other relatives Harry & Millie. There was a Wolf Cohen prosecuted for running an SP school in Melbourne in ’05 (S.A. connections) but seems to be a little dated for her yob of 1899. My search facs. are extremely limited you’ll understand.

      September 2, 2017
  15. Misca #

    Well…Who knew just how many Wolf (Woolf) Cohens there were! I found a marriage record for Sarah Norden and Woolf Cohen in England in 1926. The travel record showing Sarah and Woolf Cohen travelling from England on the Demosthenes with infant daughter Estella born in Mile End is for May of 1922 so we probably have two Sarah and Woolfs. Sarah Norden’s mother Nancy Rosenthal was married to Charles Norden and they had several children including Hannah and a Harry. Nancy’s siblings included an Aaron, Jack, Ellen, Hyman, Dorah and Milly. I’m quite surprised at how many Wolf/Woolf Cohens there were in Australia! Hard to pinpoint Sadie’s bloke.

    September 3, 2017
    • john sanders #

      Misca: The world appears to be awash with Cohens, most heading for Australia in the 20’s. I’ m not going to be of much help apart from mentioning that a photo of the time depicts WOLF, Sadie and her sisters, presumably shot before leaving England still exists. We could try to get hold of her own interview with Eric Waite before her death to see if that sheds light on her early years before Xavier. It’s also quite likely that her nephew David Herbert circa. 48/50, son of David Francis & 2nd wife Joan is still with us; He was known to be communicating with her from PNG. De Groens Bio and even Sadie’s published letters could also help if we want to play my still confidant hunch right out. Good luck.

      September 3, 2017

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